Sans Definition

THE TOBIAS MATERIALS

The Teacher Series:
SHOUD 9: "Sans Definition" - Featuring Tobias, channeled by Geoffrey Hoppe

Presented to the Crimson Circle
April 7, 2007

TOBIAS: And so it is. Who did you expect? (laughter) – but I, Tobias, and we gather now together with Shaumbra, with the Teachers, with all of you in this classroom of the New Energy.

Actually, it wasn’t decided until just a split moment ago who would actually be handling this Shoud. Had a bit of an arm wrestle with Kuthumi – and I won! (laughter, Tobias chuckling) Because of the nature of what we’re going to talk about today it was something that we both wanted to do so we had our own – how to say – our own little collision – in a good way – and because of the closeness that I have with each and every one of you ... oh and Kuthumi does too, but you and I, we have spent so much time together. Lifetimes of time, lifetimes in the Temples of Tien, lifetimes in the time of Yeshua, lifetimes after, and now here on Earth now. You embodied as these silly, silly humans, as Kuthumi would say; me, kind of embodied – haven’t figured out that yet, part here, part there. But it was I who truly wanted to come in to share this day with you.

Let us begin with our deep breath because we’re going to go into some new places today.

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Acceptance

You see, as you know, when you accept yourself like you are doing right now in our safe and sacred space; when you are relaxed about who you are; comfortable in your body, comfortable in your humanness and comfortable in your soul; well then indeed, indeed we can come in. I can come in very, very close. When you accept yourself, you can also drink me in. It is much easier, when you are in this safe and comfortable place, then to let me flow in – right into your body.

Nothing to worry about, you know I’m not going to try to take it. I have my own. You know that I’m not going to try to steal any energy. I don’t need it. You know I’m not going to try to convince you of anything because, you see, you’re not compromising yourself. You know who you are.

Sitting here in this space, this little dimension that we’re creating here together right now, you feeling that you truly know yourself – then the energies change. I can come in very close. I can come right into your body with you. I can meld and dance with your consciousness and you never lose touch with who you are, but yet we can form this beautiful melding of energies. First you and I doing this dance together, then inviting in the other energies of Shaumbra – all of us. The ones who are connecting in this instant moment of consciousness right now all across the world, the ones who will listen to and read this in the days to come.

When you are feeling and accepting yourself like you are right now you can open to the other realms, to the angelic beings who are part of the facilitation process of our Shouds, you see, because it is more than just the words that are spoken on the human levels. What you are feeling today, where your consciousness is moving today is felt in the other realms as well. What you are doing right here, right now, even though perhaps you are not moving a physical muscle, is changing all of consciousness everywhere.

Let us take a deep breath. Know thyself ...

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... and drink any of the rest of us in.

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Resurrection and the Choice to Stay

So Shaumbra, here we are today, a special day. Special because it is the time of what you would call Easter for many of the religions and the spiritual movements on Earth. It is the time of the death and it is the time of the resurrection. Because humans have accepted this, humans have accepted this story of Jesus, it creates a certain energy that makes it possible for transformation, for the death of the old self, in a way. But as you know, there truly is no death, but a death of an energy that doesn’t serve the master anymore. Letting go – that is death. Just letting go. Letting go of old structures, old habits, old ways of perceiving things. Letting it die so its energy can return to its pure and natural state.

And then the resurrection. The resurrection that allows you to spiral, to evolve into a new place of consciousness. Sometimes this resurrection – the change – can be challenging, overwhelming. But you know, there is a natural process taking place, and if you allow it to be, it will bring you – you will bring yourself – to this new level of consciousness and understanding.

Because so many humans accept the consciousness of the story of the death and the resurrection, the energies are all around right now. They have been very much in this past month of time. We know you have felt them. You have felt the human consciousness – an old part of it dying, a new part of it ready to awaken.

But as the consciousness, this next level of human consciousness is getting ready to awaken, there is the anxiety. There is the fear. There is the desire to go back to the old ways. Oh, you’ve had that experience yourself so many times. As you were in this whole experience of your own ascension how often have you wanted to go back? You ventured out alone, lonely at times, no longer in touch with your old self because the new is being birthed. How many times have you wanted to go back? How many times have you regretted ever embarking on this journey of experience? That is what other humans are going through, especially in this time of the year that you would call Easter – the resurrection – and you’ve been feeling it. You’ve been experiencing it.

It’s interesting to note that as we look at the energy of Shaumbra and we look at the – from Angel’s Peak – we look at the overview of what is happening, we see this is also a time of year when there is the changing of the Earth energy from its death, from its winter, into its awakening, its resurrection. Do you know that the calendar actually – and more accurately – used to begin in the Spring? Why it was ever changed to January in the dead of winter is besides us!

So you have this energy right now of the changing, of the transformation taking place. It is a time for you, Shaumbra, in this last month. You were asked a question, not by I, Tobias, or Saint-Germain or any of the others, but by yourself. We stand back, we watch. We give our advice and our comments when you ask. We’ve been watching in this last month. It was interesting, because so many of you asked yourself, in your dreams and in your waking state, “Should I go any further in this physical body, in this illusion of reality? Should I leave now?” There’s no penalty, by the way, for leaving. You don’t lose anything, in a sense you gain some things. “Should I end this lifetime now?” Perhaps quietly, perhaps with drama, it doesn’t matter.

But so many of you posed that question to yourself in these last days since our last Shoud. You were wondering if you had done your work. You were wondering why you continue to go through some of the hardships of the physical reality. You were wondering what it would be like to be back here with Saint-Germain, with myself, Einstein, Tesla, all of the other grand ones waiting for you to come back. We party well over here. We enjoy ourselves over here. We don’t take things too seriously. We stay in a place of self love, compassion, intimacy. It’s grand over here. Grand.

Many of you asked yourselves, “Why the hell am I on Earth right now?” You’ve heard this before. You’ve heard this voice, but now it was a bit different because you were asking you. It wasn’t the outside voice. Now it was the inside voice – “Should I stay or should I leave?” We observed, we watched. We felt your energy move and shift and sometimes collide and sometimes plummet, and we were actually surprised. We had our legions of angels out waiting in the near realms for you to come over! Oh it would have been grand, of course. You’d have been honored. You’d have been – we would have partied with you.

We were surprised. Very, very few Shaumbra around the world – very few – ever did this. Very few Shaumbra chose to come back. Most of you stayed. And again, you don’t have to. The death itself is not that difficult at all. The transition for you Shaumbra – you know what the process is like. You don’t fear the near realms. You don’t fear some place that truly doesn’t exist that is called hell. So it would have been easy. But very few did. It was interesting and we’ve been studying that saying, “What is it? Why?”

We’ve taken a look at your energy and the energy of Shaumbra and our conclusion is that you’re beginning to find the joy in your own life. You’re beginning to understand the dynamics of how energy works and what it truly is, what it isn’t. You’re beginning to understand that you are creators – not just hearing the words anymore, not just reciting them – but truly being in those words and in those energies.

So many of you also have felt you've come this far, why leave now? (some laughter) Many of you have felt, “It’s only a few more months till the Quantum Leap, I’ll wait at least that long. (laughter) I want to go to that Earth party!” Trust us, we are going to be there as well – in force. There will be more angels than humans at the Quantum Leap celebration, we have been waiting for it as well.

But you’ve taken a different look at yourself and at life and about your relations with other humans. You’ve gotten through the very worst of this whole process of ascension. You’ve gotten through the death portion and now you’re in the awakening and the resurrection portion, and yes, at times it can still be difficult because you have things like other humans. You have things like a very old struggle between energies in duality – very, very, very old energy – and you sense this and you feel it. But you’ve chosen to stay. You’ve chosen to continue this, and I want to take just this moment to thank you and to honor you. You don’t have to. You’re out of – you’re released from spiritual service. You’re released from old contracts. You’re even released from Shaumbra energy, at least as an obligation. It is a choice if you want to be with the Shaumbra energy. You didn’t have to be here.

So, it’s brought up a few tears on our side about your choice to stay, your choice to be the ones on Earth. You know this is the classroom of the New Energy – THE classroom of the New Energy. We are aware and we also work with many other groups across the world – spiritual groups, new age groups, metaphysical and religious. We work with the angelic beings who help to guide these groups. But from our viewpoint here on Angel’s Peak, there is none like Shaumbra. None.

Look at you. As Cauldre said earlier, you’re not held together by rules. Most organizations are. You’re not held together by a set of defined belief systems. Most organizations are. You’re not held together by some hierarchy that you have to report to. Most groups are. You’re brought together and you stay together by choice and by heart and by service to the humans that you’re the teachers of. It’s an amazing, amazing concept, this whole thing that you call Shaumbra.

This is the classroom of the New Energy. You’re the ones moving through it. Oh there are individuals, yes, around the world. But as a group, you are THE group to be playing with new consciousness, new physics that surpass the old duality third dimensional physics that you’ve known for so long.

This is THE classroom of the New Energy. As I’ve said and you heard Cauldre say today, “New Energy, what is it?” What is it – and I’ll tell you right now, it is without definition. Without definition, and we’re going to explore that today. We’re going to explore without definition.

So let’s a deep breath, Shaumbra ...

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No Compromise

We talked in our last gathering about no compromise and I want to take a brief review of it here. I want to encourage each of you to continue feeling that energy within you. What is compromise at your inner level?

Compromise is basically a limitation. Compromise can come about through things like fear or uncertainty or what we would call perhaps even old belief systems about right and wrong, about what you should and shouldn’t do. Compromise is when you dilute yourself, when you give yourself away, when you allow others to take away from you. Compromise is when you know what it’s like to feel within yourself – you know where your center and your core is – but then you pretend that you don’t. You allow outside situations and circumstances to then be the guiding force in your life.

Compromise is when you say that “I’m a creator” but when in truth you only feel you’re a small creator – a little creator. You feel that all of these influences around your life are grander creators than you. That is compromise. You are either a creator, full and pure, or you’re not a creator. If you’re not a creator, you are a victim. If you’re not a creator, you are absolutely a victim. A victim of everything else – other people, mass consciousness, the aliens, anything outside of you – you become the victim. You give your energy away.

No compromise means understanding, remembering and accepting who you are, accepting that you are God also, not compromising it, not going part way.

We bring this point up – it’s very, very important, we brought it up in the last Shoud – because, again, as we take our next step into New Energy, which is not definable, you can’t go in it with compromise. You can’t go in it part way. You open up totally into it.

So continue to work with this energy of no compromise. Continue to take a look in your life, because sometimes ... sometimes it hides itself. Sometimes it plays games with you. Sometimes you convince yourself that you need to compromise in order to survive. Sometimes this whole compromise energy gets you so low in your own personal energy, you don’t even recognize that you’re doing it.

The compromise is something you’re going to recognize in your mind, but you’re mostly going to recognize it in your feelings and in your heart. Sometimes you’re not going to be able to understand exactly what’s taking place, but you can truly feel when you are compromising. As I said in our last Shoud, your energy plummets. You feel you have betrayed yourself. You feel that you’re small instead of grand. That’s what happens when you compromise.

Take a look at your own personal life, your job situation. Look at the compromises you make there, and why are you compromising? I've told you before and I’m going to tell you again – sooner or later, Shaumbra, you’re going to have to work for yourself. Sooner or later.

So you compromise. You think you need the job for a check to feed you, to feed your family. You think you need it because there’s nothing else out there for you. You compromise and say, “Well, when such and such happens then perhaps I’ll leave. When I have all of this business come to me and I’m guaranteed that I will have plenty of work in my new venture, then I will leave.” That’s compromise. That is compromise.

And what’s going to happen is, because of the way energy works, you’re never going to attain it, and then you’re going to get frustrated. Your energy is going to get very low, your physical body will respond accordingly – and then you come back to party with us. But you’re not going to be happy about the events that took place to get you here. This whole energy of compromise is so important as we go into the next level. We’re going to get a bit of a taste of it today.

Today there are no guests. That will tell you something. No guests, just I, Tobias. We have the angelic beings, the nonphysical beings who are helping to support the energy of this dimension that we are creating together. No guests on this day. We need the type of energy to explore something new.

Take a moment, breathe in, feel yourself grounded in this Now moment.

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Visit to the Shaumbra Service Center

Feel yourself when you take that breath. Feel yourself. You don’t have to try to analyze, but just feel yourself. It’s you – your body, your mind, your soul – all in this space.

And now let’s expand out from the Now moment. Don’t leave your body, but expand your consciousness, you see. It’s like throwing a stone in the water. You see, the concentric circles go out and out and out. That’s what you can do with your own energy. You’re the stone, you’re the center, and let’s expand our energies now. I would like to take you today to the other realms. I’d like to take you back to the Shaumbra Service Center.

What is the Shaumbra Service Center? It’s the energy of Shaumbra. It’s your group energy. Shaumbra Service Center is a place that you can come anytime you want – to rejuvenate, to learn, to teach. It is a virtual space, but because of the consciousness and the agreement between all of Shaumbra, it is a reality. It is there.

It’s going to look a little bit different to each one of you because of your perception of reality – how you view reality. So if you talk to one Shaumbra and they say “The Shaumbra Service Center looks like this,” another Shaumbra will say “But it looks like this.” What does it look like? All of the above. Why can’t energy have many different facets, you see? Why can’t something look different depending on who’s viewing it or observing it? Why can’t, even for you, the Shaumbra Service Center change the way it looks and feels in each moment of time?

You’re used to living in a locked in consciousness, a very focused consciousness in the third dimension, and when you look, for instance, at these flowers at the front of the room, there’s a general agreement in how they look. Or is there? Or is there, you see. And these flowers can change. The flowers can start doing things that defy the eye and defy the mind, because they’re much more than a pot of flowers. They’re much more than a celebration of color. They can sing, probably better than I. They can change and transform.

Now, the mind doesn’t know how to accept that. The mind says, “But Tobias, you're talking in very esoteric terms. The practical reality is that the flowers don’t change. Well they perhaps change when they die, but sitting here right now they don’t.” But that, that, dear friends, is one of the main points of today. What is really happening? What is really going on?

So the Shaumbra Service Center can look different than the last time you were here. It can have different attributes. It doesn’t have to be singular. It can be multiple, you see. It doesn’t have to just have one identity, it can have many, many, many facets all at the same time.

For our work today there are those angelic beings of the Crimson Council who have helped prepare an energy platform in the Shaumbra Service Center. Let us flow our energies in together. Let us go through ... if it is a door for you, or you can go in the window if you want. Perhaps there is no entry way at all, you can just float through the wall. Doesn’t matter. Let go of the perceptions of what you think should be so that it can truly be all that it is.

Let us go into the Shaumbra Service Center, all of us. Oh, there’s plenty of room inside, no crowding.

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The Room of Words

Take a moment to feel the energy of the room that we are in right now. Remember last time we were here we talked about the water? Water is an important dynamic, not only in your realm on your side, but in ours as well. Our water isn’t made up of the physical attributes like what you have on Earth, but the water here is a fluid, cooling, soothing energy. For those of us who have lived life on Earth, we can bring back to these realms – the angelic realms – a more insightful or a deeper perspective of the energy called water. But all of the angels – most of the angels – work with water. Water here means healing, flowing, soothing. It's a type of energy even over here. So, plenty of water here in our Service Center.

Go ahead and sit down if you’d like. Relax a bit. Enjoy this moment that we have together in the Service Center.

Here in this room, I’m using words. I’m using words to define attributes like water. I’m using words to define the chair, to say “Sit in the chair.” I’m using words to help shape a reality at this point.

Words are very interesting, they carry specific energies with them. We're using words to define the walls in this room. Some of you may see a wall of rock, others of you are going to see a wall of color in this room.

In this room there are many flowers, they’ve been brought in for you. Exotic flowers. Flowers that are aromatic. Flowers that are blooming with color, glowing with color, vibrating their energies, transmitting their energies to you as you sit in the chairs.

The floor in our room together ... the floor is a support for you right now. It is a platform, a foundation. Some of you may see a beautiful tiled floor. Some of you may be choosing in this moment to sit on a very lush and thickly carpeted floor. Some of you would much prefer just a dirt floor because you want to connect continually with the energies of Gaia, energies of Earth. Some of you are on a glass floor. A few are floating on a floor of clouds. You see, you can all have different perspectives of the same type of experience.

I’m using words here to define because that is how humans communicate. Words are very interesting – and very limited. On Earth you have many different languages. The languages develop the words that bring about the energy, whether it is a picture or a feeling, but the words convey a very specific vibration. And as I’m talking now through words to you, we’re changing, we’re playing with the vibrations, with the symbology in words. Language comes from the mind and words come from the language. So words are a thing of the mind.

Words are very limited, but it is the way that humans communicate, and it is the way that you have been led to believe that you have to communicate. Words limit the true energy, but yet you use words in everything that you do. You do. You use words in even areas that are basically nonverbal. You use words to define things. You use words to shape the energy of something.

Language is an incredible study. Words are an incredible energy. They’re symbols. As I’m talking here, some of you ... the words, now, are getting very blurred. You can’t even seem to understand what I’m saying because we’re starting to go beyond words. You say “There's just noises coming out of Cauldre’s mouth right now.” When you’re in a very defined 3D dimension, when you’re perceiving only in the 3D, the words have very specific meanings. But as you expand the words seem to get blurry now. They don’t make as much sense. The symbols aren’t quite as coherent, because you’re starting to work at a different level. You’re starting to go beyond words.

The Room of Thought

We've used words to define the Shaumbra Service Center and define this room – the room of words that we are in right now. Now let’s go to the next room together. Take a deep breath. How do you get there? I don’t care. Walk, float, project yourself, expand, but let’s go to the next room together. Take a deep breath ...

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... and let’s go in. Is this real, by the way? Is this real? Absolutely – if you choose it to be. If you don’t choose it to be, no, it is not real. And if you choose it to be, we are literally – because we’re in a consciousness agreement – you are literally doing this on some level. We are moving into the next room. We are at the Shaumbra Service Center.

I have to laugh sometimes – what humans call real and what they don’t. Houdini and some of the other great illusionists and the magicians and those who work with the Merlin energy understand absolutely nothing is real. Nothing. It’s all an illusion. Or to say this better, it’s all a temporary creation. Because even the creations that you create, that others do, they’re going to change. The energy will continue to expand.

That is the one thing about Spirit, about God, whatever you want to call the overall energy. That is the one thing is that it is always seeking expansion and expression. That is the one thing about Spirit – always wants to express itself and then expand. Express itself and expand. You know why? Because Spirit is in joy. Spirit is in love, and that’s what the energy of love does – continues to expand and express.

So here we’ve expanded into the next room. This is the room of thought. Of thought. Now, I’m going to have to continue using words for a while, because that is how humans connect and agree upon an energy dynamic. I’m going to ask you to be in this room of thought now but expand beyond words, beyond just what is being conveyed here through the verbal language or the written language.

The room of thought is interesting. Thought doesn’t require words. You think all the time but it doesn’t have to be expressed verbally. If every thought had to be expressed verbally, you’d never stop talking! But the one thing about thought that is true and that is limiting is you put words or language to thought.

Take a deep breath. Think of something right now.

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Think of Tesla, for instance. You have just gone through a series of words to define your thoughts. Now, perhaps you were thinking “Tesla – magic, creativity, invention, energy, Edison.” But as you were thinking, your brain was attaching a word to it, you see. You are very trained to attach words to thoughts. That is how you communicate or have communicated with yourself in the past. This is going to be interesting for you to play with, henceforth, watching how you put thoughts into words.

Take a moment to think, for a moment, of this Shaumbra Service Center that you’re in.

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You’re defining the energies through thought in your mind and into a word. You have to. You’ve been trained that way. You have to put it into a word even though you’re not speaking it. It still is being translated into a word. Thinking goes into words.

The Room of Feeling

Now take a deep breath and let us expand now into the next room. Float over, hop over – just be there. Transport yourself in a moment, in a flash, and we’re now in the third room in the Shaumbra Service Center.

Take a deep breath ...

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This is the room of feeling. Feeling. Now feel the energies in this room ...

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... without judgment and without limitation. Feel the energies in this room.

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Could be love. Comfort. Compassion. Some of you are feeling how the energies appear to be rather erratic, moving quickly, darting back and forth. Keep feeling for a moment the energies in this room of feeling.

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Some of you are feeling color. Some of you are feeling things like release. You’re feeling pain, a few of you. Some of you are feeling New Energy.

You see, even in this room of feeling, which goes beyond the mind, beyond thought, you are still using words to define what you are feeling. The feelings that you are perceiving in here are flowing back into the thought, into the mind, and then you are attaching words around it. Again, you’ve been trained to do this from your earliest days, from lifetime and lifetime of using language to create the symbols to define the perceptions.

Words are used to define your perceptions on all levels, and herein lies one of the barriers or one of the fallacies of energy work. It’s been flowing back down through the mind and into words. It’s almost uncontrollable. It’s the way your energy has been trained and it has served you well. It has helped you to understand things. It has helped you to define energies. It has helped you to share your definitions of your feelings and your thoughts with yourself and then with other humans. It’s kind of a commonly accepted practice. We’ll take feelings and thoughts and put them into words. Sometimes the words are spoken, sometimes they’re written, but they all go into words sooner or later. It’s kind of like a funnel – funneling the energies down and down and down until they can be put into a word.

Now a word may contain many levels of energy. When I say a word such as “tree,” there are many levels in it, but it is still a word. It still is a definition and it still has its limitations. These limitations of energy expression, while having served you well, are now driving you crazy. There is something beyond, and you know it, but you just didn’t know how to put it into words. You felt it, but you didn’t know how to define it, because humans, even the angels, have been trained that there’s certain limitations of consciousness.

The Room of No Definition

Take a deep breath and now let us move into the next room.

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Don’t dawdle please. We have a Shoud to do. Take a deep breath and let us move into the next room.

Now, I’m going to ask you to perceive this room. Perceive this room that we are now in.

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Many of you perceiving large, empty, dark, not sure. Some of you are perceiving the energies changing so rapidly you can’t seem to put a handle on it. You can’t seem to settle its energies enough to define it.

Take a deep breath and perceive the energies in this room.

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This is the room of no definition. No definition at all. That’s why it may appear to be large and dark and empty, or changing very rapidly. It cannot be defined.

And this is the New Energy. It cannot be defined.

Now we’re going to have to define what cannot be defined so it’s going to seem like a bit of conflict, but what we are really doing is going beyond, here. This is the classroom, remember? Today, with Shaumbra all around the world, we are going beyond.

I have to tell you something. This room of no definition and the whole concept of ... we’re going to call it sans definition. Sans – without ... sans definition is something that even on the angelic realms most angels don’t venture into. Most of the angelic beings continue to define.

An interesting thing happened after Earth was inhabited by angelic beings who turned into humans and languages were developed to help explain what was very foreign and very odd to angels. After the languages were developed, and after the angelic beings-turned-human died and came back to the nonphysical realms, the languages started coming back with them. Particularly, in what we define as the Near Realms – those realms that are still connected to the energy of Earth, and there are many. Many angelic beings in the Near Realms – the nonphysical earthbound realities.

The language has come back over with those who are coming here in between lifetimes, so much so that in the Near Realms you will find that generally the angelic beings speak languages. Generally, they are also very attached to the native language that they used in their previous lifetime. So literally in the Near Realms you have angelic beings who cannot understand each other. Some speak German. Some speak English. Some speak Japanese. So even on the angelic realms you find that there are languages being used to define energy, used to define feeling and thought. So much so that this is even seeped out past the Near Realms and the energy of language has even gone into the Crystalline and beyond.

Now as it goes into what you would consider the more expanded realms it's not necessarily in a specific earth language, but there are very specific types of inflections used to communicate feelings and thoughts in the nonphysical realms. What we are saying this isn’t just a human thing, it goes beyond into the other realms.

Where we are right now in the room of sans description, sans definition, there are no words. There are no words that can define things.

An interesting concept and a concept that we’re going to ask you to begin working with. How can you not put something in words? How can you not have a thought or a feeling not defined by words? How can you and your mind, even your body, comprehend something that is not ultimately brought back to you in words? And that is a wonderful and a beautiful challenge to Shaumbra.

A long time ago in some of the spiritual and religious environments and groups that were here on Earth, they would not speak the word of God. They would not speak his or her name. It wasn’t that it was bad. It wasn’t that they were going to be punished for speaking the word “God” or “Yahweh” or “Jehovah” or any of these things. What they were trying convey, that a few knew a long time ago, was that it is the Undefinable. It was Undefinable. How could you bastardize it by putting it into a human word, because the moment you do, you have structured it, you have imprisoned its energy – and true Spirit cannot be imprisoned.

True energy is absolutely neutral. Energy is neutral until you activate it through feelings or thoughts or specific intentions or choices, and then it is activated. But it sits out there in the grand Unstructured, the grand Undefinable, the grand ... we don’t want to say unknown, that has the wrong energy, but the grand Is-ness.

You see? You see what happens out here? It is very difficult to define. You can’t even say it is, because it isn’t, either. You can’t say it’s grand, because it is nothing at all. It’s neutral energy. You can’t start to structure it. You can’t start to even describe it or define it, because the moment you do, where are you? Back in your mind, back in your thoughts and back into limitations.

This is a wonderful, beautiful and simple concept, and for Shaumbra, where you are right now in your life, it’s going to be one of the most transformational. But it could also be one of the most challenging.

Sans Definition

I, Tobias, and those of the Crimson Council are going to ask you each day to go into the Undefinable, sans description, sans structure, sans definition. You’re going to find initially that it is very difficult because you’re going to get into a game with your own mind. It is going to want to define, and it is defining exactly where we are right now. We’re in the room of no definition but what is the mind trying to do? Define it. Capture it. Lasso it. Structure it. Shape it. This has been your training, your conditioning. But it is time now for the classroom of the New Energy to go beyond, to let go of the need to define.

Now, an interesting thing happens here because ... some of you are trying to do it right now – you’re trying to blank out your mind. You’re trying to go to nothing, and you have to take a feel again of its energies. This is not nothing – this is everything. This is the vast potential. This is the unlimited reserve of energy. This is this great vessel of energy.

We’re not saying this is God or Spirit, that’s a different thing. We’re saying this is the Undefined, but this is where it happens. This is the grandest of all of the potentials, because they haven’t been limited by the mind, through the words. They haven’t been limited by the feelings, through the words. So we’re going to ask you to start coming out to the Undefinable every day.

Now, Shaumbra, some of you nod your head now, but we know these homework assignments are put on the stack of all the other things you have to do – and ignored. But we’re going to tell you right now that where we are all going in the New Energy you’re going to want this experience. You’re going to want to do this beautiful expansion every day, about ten minutes.

Some of you are going to find it’s wonderful to do this at night as you’re going off to sleep. Some of you are going to do it in the morning when you wake up. Try not to do it when you’re driving a car or you’re operating power tools. Do it in a quiet moment.

Now, this is like an incredible puzzle we’re giving you, but it’s not a puzzle to be solved. It’s only a puzzle to be experienced. The challenge here is how to not define the energy. How to not put it into words. And you say, “But Tobias, then how am I going to experience it? How am I going to understand it?” you see, and that is the beauty of what we are doing.

Obviously, there is a different way to experience. Obviously, there’s a different way to perceive energy. You’ve been using but one way to do it – through the thought, into the word, into a structure so that you could comprehend it. As I said, it served you well on Earth. It served you to help you to understand the dynamics of what is going on around you. We’re going to go beyond.

I’ll tell you a few things. This isn’t what you think it’s going to be, because your thinking has a preconceived idea or concept. This isn’t a meditative state where you blank out your mind and, in a sense, you cease to allow yourself to exist. This is existence in a whole different realm. This is not something that you can write about and post on your message board right now, because the moment you do that, you are bastardizing it, you are thinking about it. This is a very personal and a very intimate experience that you’re going to be going through. This is something that’s going to confound you and perplex and it’s going to make you very angry with I, Tobias. But as you continue to work with the sans definition – no defining – it’s going to start unfolding itself. Your understanding will come from a new and different place – not necessarily in your body, definitely not in the mind.

While you’re in this state of sans definition, some of you are going to think you're going crazy, but that is your thinking that is going crazy. And your perception of reality is going to start getting very loose. Your perception of reality has been tied up in knots. It’s been forged into steel. It’s very solid, and as you go into sans definition, beyond, as you go into this beyond, the perception of reality is going to get like water. Like water is to us here – very flowing and fluid and open – and at times you’re going to feel very ungrounded. Take a deep breath. Remember that you are in the Now moment, but you are in a very expanded Now moment.

At times you’re going to feel you are losing touch with yourself, because your touch with you has been in the brain. Your touch – your consciousness of yourself – has been limited to words that have been used to define and to shape yourself. So it’s going to feel uncomfortable at times. It’s going to feel perhaps a bit overwhelming at times. But Shaumbra, we have to tell you that there are many beings on our side who are helping you, guiding you through this experience. There’s nothing to fall out of. You don’t have to worry about losing that sense of self, because you’re evolving to a whole new sense of self in this.

As you continue to work with this energy of sans definition, even in your everyday life, bring it back to Earth and try not to define something that you’ve always defined. The vase of flowers – even though you just glance at it, your mind quickly analyzes, forms a word around it and puts a structure on it. You come up with the colors. You come up with the mass or the volume. It's all done through thought and words. In the sans definition, in the beyond, you move to a whole different level of perception and a whole different understanding of reality that goes beyond the mind.

It is so unusual for us to have to use words to talk about something where there are no words. It is difficult for us to convey the energy even in thought form as we are used to doing with you. It is even difficult to convey the feeling, because even feelings have their limitations. It is about going into a whole new area of energy, a whole new dimension that surpasses the need for structure, the need for definition, the need for a limited perception.

This is the New Energy. This is the New Energy. New Energy at this time doesn’t want, doesn’t need any sort of definition or structure. You can’t take New Energy in its pure state and truly force it into an Old Energy duality environment, because the two have such different characteristics.

New Energy is a potential. It is very present in your life right now. It's as much in the Now as your perception of yourself is. It’s here with you. You haven’t necessarily seen it or felt it, because it cannot be defined. You’ve been trying to define New Energy, and we hear many of you say, “This is New Energy and that’s New Energy.” It’s undefinable with the current tools, the current resources you have for defining things.

This work that you do each day in sans definition, into the Unknown and Undefinable, is going to expand your consciousness greatly. And it’s also going to allow you to begin using a whole different set of perception tools, evaluation tools and understanding tools in your life. These tools of – we’re going them tools of understanding, ways of perceiving things – they’re already with you. You just can’t see them because of the way you try to explain and define energy. You see the paradox in what we’re talking about here? Going into something that cannot be structured, defined or described with the current set of energy tools or resources that you have.

Don’t give up Shaumbra. You try once, you try twice and you say, “This just isn’t working. I’m struggling. My brain is trying to figure it out and I can’t turn my brain off.” Your brain is doing what it’s been asked to do. Your brain is trying to process information in the way it knows how to do. It’s trying to structure and define, just like a potter will try to structure the clay and define it.

The potter would feel terrible if he went in one day and his fingers slipped through the clay and it could not be defined or shaped. He would feel like he was a failure. The potter would get very frustrated, because every time he'd touch the clay it would lose its definition rather than gain a structure, and instead of creating a vase, it would turn back into different elements and ingredients. It would basically melt before him or her, and that’s what it’s going to be like in working with sans definition – outside of the perception that you now have.

It’s going to feel like things are falling apart, slipping through the cracks. You’re going to feel like you’re trying to put your arms around something and you can’t. You’re going to wonder if this is some sort of trick that we’re playing on you, and it’s not. It is moving beyond, moving into new realms.

New Energy

When you can ... again here, words limit what we’re trying to convey, but when you can move beyond the need to structure and define, you are truly in the New Energy. And when you are in the New Energy, you truly understand now how it can be applied in your life, in your world, in your reality. And again, words cannot describe it.

Are we headed for a different type of language, per se? Yes, but not one that flows through the mind. Are we headed for a different way of communication? Yes, but not a communication that has the current limitations on it. Are we on our way to a whole new understanding of realities? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Can you, Shaumbra, the classroom of the New Energy, allow yourself to go beyond where you’ve ever gone before? This is not a psychedelic trip. This is not a mind game. This is not a contest. It’s allowing yourself, feeling so comfortable with yourself, that you can go into realms that defy description. You have not gone there before, I will tell you that right now. You have not gone there before. You’ve gone into some incredible realms – the Crystalline realms, the Birthing realms. You have gone into what you would call alien realms, but you have not gone here. It’s New Energy. It’s a whole different room.

That is why we were so emphatic in our last gathering of saying Shaumbra, don’t compromise yourself. Because as we move into this next realm, you’re going to find that if you’re in a place of compromise that going into the Unexplainable and Undefinable will crush you. Not literally, of course, but it’s going to basically collapse what you would feel is a secure place of your mind thought, of your comfort level, of your being in the Now moment. And as you feel your reality collapsing around you, you’re going to go right back into the reality and try to re-identify it, re-shape it, re-grasp it.

The Soul

I’ll tell you one other attribute here in the sans description. Yes, you could call it the great Unknown, the great Undefinable. This is also where you’re going to begin to truly understand what a soul is – what your soul is. The soul is an identity, a unique identity – your unique expression of what you would call God or Spirit. That is your soul. But your soul is also undefinable, unstructurable, uncontrollable. Your mind cannot take over your soul – by design, by agreement.

So, what you would call your soul self – and again that’s a word that needs revamping – but the true you is in these realms. It has not been able to, and in a sense hasn’t wanted to, come in to a limited, overly structured, controlling and suppressive environment where the mind rules and where reality is too specific and too inflexible. So in the Undefinable you will come to know yourself in a whole new way.

Work with it Shaumbra. It is the Unknown, the Unexplainable. Work with these energies. Get frustrated with them if you want, you don’t have to hold back. That, by the way, is compromising. You can get angry. You can get upset. You can get frustrated, but continue working with them. You will have tremendous support.

This does, by the way, tie into our Shoud from our last gathering with the energies of Tesla, with the energies of new invention, new understanding. It all ties in together. It’s simple, your assignment, homework, whatever you want to call it – your expansion – is to go into the Undefinable.

What happens with the mind? What happens with the need for words and definitions? What happens as you try to comprehend what cannot be comprehended? Go out there and explore, Shaumbra.

You’re never alone, because we’re here on this journey into New Energy with you.

And so it wasn’t.

THE TOBIAS MATERIALS

The Teacher Series:
SHOUD 9: "Sans Definition" - Featuring Tobias, channeled by Geoffrey Hoppe
Questions and Answers

Presented to the Crimson Circle
April 7, 2007

TOBIAS: And so it is, dear Shaumbra, that we come into this space of questions and answers. It is an honor for I, Tobias, to sit here with White Eagle to take a look at what you are really asking, to take a look at your own self. Now, most of you don’t understand that so often, when we give these answers, we are just giving your answers back to you. We’re not creating our own, we’re just giving you back what is already within, what you simply haven’t discovered for yourself yet. It is yours. You have that answer. We’re just helping you to understand it better.

Today, what we would call a landmark gathering of Shaumbra, the message is simple: Sans Definition – out of the mind, out of words, out of the need to structure energy – into a new type of freedom that you haven’t experienced in the physical or the nonphysical realm for a long, long time.

Energy, by its very nature, moves in and out of definition. This is a universal physics or a universal principle. Energy moves in and out of definition. Where does energy go after it is unstructured? It goes into the non-defined, the unstructured. It goes back into itself. It goes back into what you would say in human words is a neutral state of being, but even that is too much of a definition for it. Energy continually moves in and out of definition.

The human and even the angelic consciousness is defined. You perceive and deal only with energies that have a definition to them or a structure. So now you’re going to be expanding into a very new and different realm of Sans Definition.

One of the greatest tools that you’re going to have when you’re going through the initial stages of perceiving this is the breathing. Breathing will quiet the mind, quiet the body. The breathing will also open you to the potentials of undefined, undescribed and unstructured energies. So use the breathing. Use the breathing as you’re going into this whole New Energy.

With that we would be delighted to begin the questions on this day.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 1 (read from the internet by Linda): I recently came across an article from a Russian scientist by the name of Viktor Stepanovich Grebennikov ...

TOBIAS: hmm ... close ...

LINDA: Close enough. You want me to try it again? ... who I believe is now dead, but he discovered a means of anti-gravity using a structure found on the underside of a Siberian bee. This bee is said to only exist in Siberia but the name of this bee was not divulged in the article. I also believe the research was confiscated by one or more governments. Is this science or science fiction? If this is real, can you call upon Mr. Grebennikov to come and tell us what bee it was or what part of the underbelly has the comb-like part that is partially described in his writings, and how do we construct his flying platform that is shown in his writings that he claims defy gravity with enough construction detail to make it work.

TOBIAS: Indeed, a very appropriate question on this day for we’re talking once again about energy moves in and out of definition. Now it truly wouldn’t do any of us any good right now to go back and try to reconstruct, to try to bring back our dear scientist friend. If you try to even go back into the original papers that were ... and it doesn’t matter whether the government took them or they were lost or whatever. The real issue here is that that consciousness of the anti-matter – anti-gravity – was tapped into. It is available now in the consciousness of humanity tucked, indeed, in some far off place, but very discoverable.

I have talked for quite some time about the whole application of gravity as an energy form, into the physics of anti-matter and more accurately into the fact that energy moves in and out of definition. Once the scientists and the physicists and the metaphysicians begin to truly expand their energy to understand this is all absolutely possible but not always definable, then it will bring it more into this reality for practical applications.

As we talked about in our last gathering with Tesla, he is back working with a specific group right now to advance some of the findings that he had. And this is not the only, what you would call, scientific being or inventor who is back on Earth right now in non-physical form working with various groups. There is a call that has gone out for New Energy to come in, and it is coming in via consciousness, as we have done here today. It is coming in via inventions and it is coming in via a variety of different portals that, by the way, you don’t have to go and open. They open according to the demands of consciousness itself. These tools are all coming to Earth right now. No government, no religion or no rich and wealthy groups can stop it because consciousness is asking for its own expansion. Thank you.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 2 (a woman at the microphone): My experience in the past is that I had a really strong sense of being connected with my inner knowing and things worked out well. And in the last three years I feel like no less connection with the inner knowing but things are not working out so well. So, it’s kind of a two-fold question. One is what gives? And the second is along the lines of how do I continue to trust when it’s not working out the way I think it was going to? Or not even the way I think it was going to because I feel like there’s not a lot of attachment, but ... anyway, that’s my question.

WHITE EAGLE: We will take that. This is Saint White Eagle. (Lots of laughter.) Your question went exactly to where Tobias was talking, that undefinable place. Most of you have looked for your knowing in the same room you used to find it, and now you must let go of the bounds of definition and look for your knowing in a holographic place. You will find yourself everywhere in the universe. And so in that new place of looking for your knowing, sweet angel, it is important that you use active patience. And what that means is not keep trying to see what you see, but when you don’t see anything in this place of non-definition, keep relaxing, keep letting go, keep being holographic.

You use the word unattached – that’s an excellent one. And it will show up, but you cannot use your will to see the future in that new room as you used to. So, dear one, try to go to that place where you at first need new skills to know that knowing and then the answers will be there but they won’t be as words. They won’t be as symbols crashing down. They will be so subtle that even the most enlightened could miss it. But as you are in that stillness, your ears get attuned and you say, “I hear the truth.” And the truth will be a song or a tone. It won’t be a word at first. And then as you expand into that song or tone, not only is the answer there, but the energy for the accomplishment is there too.

TOBIAS: And to add one non-thought to that (laughter), you made an interesting comment. You said “It’s just not working.” According to whom? What lies beneath? What lies above? What is it that is really going on? The human, the small human, says it’s not working because of, obviously, the expectations of the outcome. But as we stand here, sit here, looking at your energy above and below and inside, it is absolutely working. You just don’t trust that it is, you see. The small human self is looking at only one facet of the beautiful diamond that you are. Thank you.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 3 (read from the internet by Linda): What is the purpose, the bigger picture of my role on the message board? There are between five and fifty of us who have been pillars on the board for the last few years. I find I can’t believe how many posts I’ve written. It’s like it doesn’t take energy to write there. It’s been very enjoyable and easy. Am I Shouding when I write these? Have I been believing that this is my own stuff I’m writing about? Deep down it feels like my writing is just for me. I enjoy doing things other than writing. I also don’t like the dynamic of feeling clients and readers feed on me when I write outside of the safe Shaumbra space.

TOBIAS: Indeed. Let’s not take a look at it as a role, because that puts a certain burden or responsibility, but let’s take a look at it as a joy, an opportunity to express yourself, share yourself with others. And in this message board in general it’s about a constant evolution of energy, moving through viewing and then moving through perceptions, going to the next level and the next. This, as you know, tends to bring up everything from debate to conflict, drama. But it provides ... it is a ... let us call the message board a stage or the theater for the New Energy for all of you to act out in the various roles, act out your energies. So this is the safe space that has been created there.

WHITE EAGLE: We would add to that that safety is a decision, and if you’ve decided that outside the safe place of Shaumbra energies feed on you, it will be so. So we ask you that safety comes from within you. It is not imposed from the outside. And for all of you, as you move into this New Energy world, don’t look for proof of safety outside, but carry it boldly in your heart.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 4 (a woman at the microphone): Hi Tobias and White Eagle. I have written a Shaumbra murder mystery and I wanted to get your advice about that. But in particular, I wanted to ask you about publishing and specifically about self-publishing. And then I also have a question from Dale that he asked us to ask. It is “Can you please give us an update on the cottage retreat group and that energy? Is there something we should be doing as a group and why were we all brought together?”

WHITE EAGLE: Tobias, we may have you start this one.

TOBIAS: Indeed, how did you know! (laughter) Yes, that’s interesting. This whole concept of the expression through the publishing – oh, we could talk for a long time about that – but Shaumbra is now creating its own potential for that – with our advice and encouragement, of course – through this thing that is going to be on the launch pad fairly soon called the Crimson Publishing or Crimson Press. It is going to provide the outlet for Shaumbra to introduce their works, whether it is music or writing.

It is not for us to make any determination about self-publishing versus going outside for publishing, although our energetic suggestion would be that all should begin with self-publishing. It creates a type of ownership in your work. It allows you to understand the energy dynamics that take place with putting out what you have created, putting out, whether it is in print or in music, and allowing that to go forth.

So, more than anything right now for you we’d have to say it’s time to cross a chasm. It’s time to go from being the author and the writer into being the publisher and allowing your expressions to go out into the world. It is about accepting that you can get the message out. So many Shaumbra create a type of artificial barrier saying, “But I can only do the creative part, I don’t know the other – the marketing, the energy expansion part.” And indeed you do, and there is a mechanism within Crimson Circle already set up to facilitate that, that you’re going to all be hearing about quite soon.

In terms of the cottage retreat and the group, it is a group that has been together before, a group that developed a very strong bond several years ago, and it is a group that is supporting each other on the other realms during what you call your sleep state or your not so thinking state of being, and it is not a group that – how do you say – you don’t have a specific type of service. You don’t have a specific type of job that you have to do, but it creates a very lovely dynamic working with each other. There is no specific call, you see, that has to be done.

The one thing that we do see in this group is you placed a bit too much attention on the energy of the group. There should be a bit more freedom. Now what I would suggest is that this group who has developed a close bond with each other, because you have spent time together, that you explore this whole concept of the sans definition – as individuals but as a group also – and to watch the amazing transformation that you have with each other in going into these new realms. Thank you.

WHITE EAGLE: We have just one question. What is the name of your book?

SHAUMBRA 4: It’s either going to be called “Murder in the New Age” or “Circle of Death.”

WHITE EAGLE: Alright. And of course, put those two name side by side and see what flashes the most energy, and then ask your friends to put their energy onto the name itself, because that is part of the expression. For any of you who have a project, name your project and have a symbol for your project and keep visiting it with your light so you energize it.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 5 (read from the internet by Linda): Apparently, Tesla lived the last ten years of his life in the New York hotel room 3327. Shoud 8, in which you mentioned Tesla, took place on 3/3/2007. Does that number ... is that number a co-incidence mean?

WHITE EAGLE: That’s yours too (some laughter).

TOBIAS: Don’t read too much into it. There are ... yes and no. There are synchronicities that occur naturally. As energy aligns itself, it just is natural. But if you start focusing on if there’s some large unknown or mystery meaning behind it, you really lose the fact that it’s just a synchronicity. As you get into this level of trust in yourself and a flow into the New Energy, synchronicities naturally occur. They’re not meant to be mysteries other than little nudges saying “You’ve got it. You’re aligning energies.”

WHITE EAGLE: Can we say something? We have. We just did. (laughter) You know, we had the different rooms today. We had the rooms of thoughts and the rooms of words, and we see that most intelligent human beings are retarded by their intelligence. (laughter) And you could walk quickly through the room of words and you would be much better off than if you stopped and defined them all. And sometimes we believe that thou doth think too much. So when you feel tempted to look at the bottom of bees (laughter) for anti-gravity, maybe you should just go to God and look for the answer there. Thank you.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 6 (a man at the microphone): Welcome all great ones. My question, now that I want to stay, is will my business support Shaumbra and the New Energy or do I have a new storefront coming forward, or am I just listening today?

WHITE EAGLE: We’ll start. We feel that there is a new way your storefront will be, that there’s a new energy behind it that isn’t so structured. There needs to be more freedom – and we don’t even know what you’re talking about, we’re just looking at the energy of it. It needs to be expanded and more freedom and, dear one, there’s still some fear in there for your survival or the survival of the idea perhaps, and we bless you so deeply. Walk in the grace and the blessings and then let the ideas come from that space of the non-definition so the ideas come, they percolate from above rather than being pushed from below, if you understand.

TOBIAS: Agreed.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 7 (read from the internet by Linda): Tobias, first of all, thank you so much for the inspiration you give to all of us. I love listening to you. I hope it doesn’t matter that this is a personal question, but I’m a bit desperate. I have osteoporosis and feel that my skeleton is falling apart and would like to know what it’s all about and what I can do about it. I break bones for no apparent reason. I feel I’ve decided to stay here on Earth and help being a Teacher, but it seems my whole foundation is crumbling down. What’s up? I’m breathing and doing the Standard Technology. Thank you.

TOBIAS: Indeed. It is difficult, it is sad for us because of the ... what happens with the human body also affects the ability to enjoy life. What you’re seeing right now is perhaps an over-manifestation of this whole concept of structures falling down, structures coming apart. And in a sense it has energetically gotten into your physical system. It doesn’t need to be.

Working with the breath is the most important thing. You have begun the process and we’re going to encourage you to absolutely continue it. Working with the Standard Technology there’s going to be insights that you don’t quite understand yet. We have begun the work in Israel recently, we’re going to continue it in one week from now. We’re going to have more specific guidance for your self-healing, but ultimately it is the absolute unconditional trust in your body that it knows how to repair, rejuvenate and cleanse itself.

Within your body, you have all of the ingredients, all of the energy dynamics to absolutely halt this whole degradation process. Not only that but to rebuild many of the structures. We’re going to ask you to listen to this Standard Technology course that comes out, to understand and to give you confidence in what you’re doing, because looking at you energetically, as you’re doing the breathing and as you have begun working with some of the very rudimentary elements of Standard Technology, there is still an overwhelming fear, and there’s – more than anything – an absolute lack of trust with yourself that you can do it.

We see you still, kind of on the sly, going outside and asking Spirit, asking ... You are going to readers and healers right now, so you’re looking outside. The Standard Technology is absolutely asking you to trust your body to rejuvenate itself. It knows how to do that. Thank you.

WHITE EAGLE. We would like to add something. For all who feel that your foundations are crumbling, whether it is your body or your finances or your relationship, and to build on something that Tobias said is that he talked about clay. And the difference between clay and mud and the finished product is the fire, is the kiln. And so when you find things falling apart, what fire are you afraid to touch and walk through? What are you looking the other way about? Find what your fire is, and you’re probably afraid of it. God is on the other side of fear. And through that fire the clay of crumbling mud becomes a strong and finished fired item. Thank you.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 8 (a man at the microphone): Hello Tobias and White Eagle. This question is about my work. I have been doing emotional healing and mentoring and coaching work for probably about 15 years now, and it’s been in transformation that entire time. And I’m continually growing it, changing it based on where I am and it’s gotten to a point now where I don’t know how to describe the work without using old terminology. And I always look for structure – or have in the past – and I don’t know how to ... I’m a little bit like I’m on quicksand or in no-man’s-land and I’m just wanting help with how to go about dealing with that.

WHITE EAGLE: We can start.

TOBIAS: Indeed.

WHITE EAGLE: This channel finds it so hard to know when to talk when her eyes are closed. (laughter) Her husband wishes she’ll close her eyes more often! (more laughter)

Dearest beloved friend, you are doing a beautiful job growing your practice as you grow and letting the people you attract being mirrored by the next level of growth that you are accomplishing. So don’t count so much on the words and the description. Find the best words and put your energy into it. So your tag line is whatever it is then put energy and light. People aren’t going to go because of the definition of the words, they’re going to go because they get hit by your light presence when they think about you or when someone refers and says your name.

So all of you, again, find the best words and let it go – even the best words aren’t good enough – so again it goes right to what Tobias was saying. Put your energy, your light ... and we would, because we have the microphone right at this moment, ask you, all of you, to immediately desist being light ‘workers’ and be light ‘holders’ so you can move more into being and less the ‘work’ of it. So, dear brother, you’re absolutely on the right track, and we think you’re worrying over something that isn’t really that important. (some laughter)

TOBIAS: We will add a statement to this. We commend you for understanding how the facilitation and the healing process is continually changing very, very fast right now. Modalities that were new 20 years ago are now either old or they have learned to adapt and to change, because everything – consciousness, everything – is changing so quickly right now. So we agree with White Eagle, it doesn’t matter so much the name. There are some that would obviously be not so good that would not apply, but use a word to define it that has more of an open structure. Use words that come from your heart, and more than anything understand that even the name can evolve and change whenever you choose it to. You’re not locked into it for any one thing. And again, we commend you for continuing to change your modality in your Now Healing Practice. Not a bad name either.

SHAUMBRA 8: Thank you.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 9 (read from the internet by Linda): Dear, whoever you happen to be today ... (Tobias chuckling and audience laughter)

WHITE EAGLE: That must be you! (more laughter from audience and Tobias)

SHAUMBRA 9: ... I am awesome. Contained with the awesomeness that is me is an aspect that I call the divine prostitute. It’s made up of pieces of me that know the art of sexual alchemy and also know to sing to DNA. I’m whole and complete and yet I enjoy connecting with others – male and female – when I feel a resonance with a person. There are also friends of mine without bodies that I enjoy connecting with. Since I am whole, this is for the pleasure of the experience, although I have no doubt there are other things that happen when our energies mix. My question is: Do all Shaumbra have the potential to do this or is this something specific to my soul group family?

TOBIAS: All Shaumbra have the potential to understand the true magnificence of the sexual energy and to understand that, more than anything, it is just self love. It is not necessarily physical, not even necessarily about what you would term pleasure.

Pleasure – we could do a long dissertation about that – but pleasure ... there’s still very old Atlantean implants based on pleasure. It is a trigger. Used inappropriately it can be a method for stealing energy from others, entrapping them, manipulating them and controlling them. So there is always that fine line, that fine balance. You have to answer the question within yourself.

I would give you one hint though. If it is just about sex, whether it is in a physical act with a physical human or in the perception of a physical act with a non-human, I would take another look at it, because there is so much more to sex than the physical. Sex can be enjoyed ... Saint-Germain says he can bring a person to a point of orgasm without it becoming physical or even what you would say is even sexual. It is an energy exchange that is equal and balanced, but more than anything else, has to start at home. It is about self love.

What happens if you are not in a place of self love, when you go out and have physical or even non-physical sexual relations you will find yourself ... you’re going to be feeding off of others. You’re going to be looking for completion. When you can absolutely love yourself then you will absolutely understand what this whole thing is about energy exchanging and you won’t be using terms like “divine prostitute” anymore. Thank you.

WHITE EAGLE: Right on! (laughter)

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 10 (a woman at the microphone): Hi Tobias. Greetings from the lands of Santa Maria. I’m asking to you what did I ask to you to tell or remember me in this moment of my life?

TOBIAS: If you don’t mind, I’ll take this one.

WHITE EAGLE: Yes.

TOBIAS: Specifically, what we had agreed to talk about was, right now at this point, time for a change. Something you’ve been putting off for a long time. Something that you’ve been anticipating, dreading. You’ve been longing for but yet running from. It is inevitable, this change, because you have already chosen it. It is like saying you’ve been going down the road on one path or one direction but now it’s time not only to change directions but to change the road. So the question I have back to you is: Is this the time? Do you want it now or should we come back and revisit it in a few years?

SHAUMBRA 10: I don’t know.

TOBIAS: Your choice not mine. It doesn’t matter to me. If you choose it now, if you truly believe it – you’re not just saying it for the moment, but if you truly believe it – change will occur. The question is can you accept that what occurs has goodness in it, has evolution in it and what may at times appear to be a – how to say – a difficulty or challenge is just about a restructuring. Because much of your own energy is about ready to move out of its current definition, go someplace else and then come back for a new definition. So it is up to you. But what a beautiful time, here in the Shaumbra Service Center with all of these Shaumbra here and listening in, to put you on your own launch pad for your new direction. Thank you.

WHITE EAGLE: And beloved one, and all of you who are seeking change, once you are ready to jump off and take that leap, take an intuitive look at your solar plexus, because many of the relationships you have with the world and your thinking connect at your solar plexus, which is the place of black and white and structure and good and bad and fear and control. And unplug those cables that are there and plug them back into your heart where they belong, where they will not control you, they will not bleed you and they will not trip you up on your new steps. So dearest beloved one, we see that there are still some pretty fat cables that are connecting your being and the world through your solar plexus. And all of you have them, but they trip you up mostly when you are ready to take a new step – and you wonder why you weigh so much. (laughter)

LINDA: Last question.

TOBIAS: Hmmm I think White Eagle and I would like to take several more.

LINDA: Did Geoff say that?

TOBIAS: Umm, he’s gone. (lots of laughter)

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 11 (a woman at the microphone): Okay, hi Tobias and White Eagle. The concept of going into this new dimension without words is not new to me, and as you were describing this energy, this room of going into of no definition, it kind of was a little disturbing to me, because if I heard you correctly, you said that it wasn’t Spirit, it wasn’t God. And I just thought that all energy was a manifestation of God or Spirit. So I guess I don’t know if I heard you right or not, but I guess I need clarification. My brain is wanting some kind of clarification.

TOBIAS: Poor brain (laughter). You’ve come to the wrong place to get your brain fed.

WHITE EAGLE: I think she stayed in the room of words.

TOBIAS: Yes, I would love to jump in first and then White Eagle has much to say. I have to share with you right now. “Spirit,” “God” – first of all, throw out those words, Jesus Christ! (Tobias and audience laughing) Even that – throw that out! But what you would call Spirit, God, whatever, is not energy at all. God is not an energetic being. Energy is just a tool. Your soul does not contain any energy whatsoever. Energy is just a tool, a fuel if you would.

So, now take a deep breath with that! See? Now your brain is really messed up! White Eagle, take over. Round two.

WHITE EAGLE: Beyond energy is consciousness. Consciousness would be more likened to the structure of God, because it’s the plane, it’s the field, it’s the nothingness into which energy creates form. And so in that, only when you allow yourself in that indefinable place are you giving yourself permission to move to real Spirit, which is above the ability to be experienced in the old way. If you hold on to the need for experience, you will convict yourself to an experiential world.

TOBIAS: And ...

WHITE EAGLE: Go ahead.

TOBIAS: ... and beyond consciousness is no consciousness. It’s undefined even beyond. You see consciousness, it means something has been taken and defined, and it’s structured in a certain way. Albeit, consciousness is grand and vast, but what lies beyond consciousness? And isn’t that exactly what we were doing today – going beyond any known consciousness, even consciousness known by God or Spirit? That is exactly what you all did when you left Home, when you went through the Wall of Fire. You went into nothingness, void. And here you are again trying to put all definitions – including throwing in the definition and the words of God and Spirit – into where there is none.

Can you go to a place where there is no God or Spirit – without fear? Ah, ah ... because ... well we’ll get into that ... now we’re getting into philosophy. Kuthumi will indeed come and whap me! (lots of laughter)

SHAUMBRA 11: Okay, well I will do my ten minutes in the morning and the evening and will expand my nothingness.

TOBIAS: Ah, yes.

WHITE EAGLE: That’s right.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 12 (a woman at the microphone): Hi Tobias, hi White Eagle. I’ve come a long way. I’m from Europe – Austria – and I felt drawn to the states for a few years already. I’ve been here a few times and this time I had this special call to come to Taos without really knowing what it’s all about. I know that I have a very strong connection to the Anazasi spirit, but this time I have a feeling that there is some more very subtle purpose and a need just connecting to the Anazasi spirit again, and I was wondering if you could give me some more insight on this.

TOBIAS: White Eagle?

WHITE EAGLE: We will begin, yes. All of you, trust your spirit knowing in the moment, that if you are drawn to Taos, that is enough. Then you get your ticket and you get your hotel and then you know that when you show up that’s when mastery will be there fluttering around. And to try to decide is it because you had a past life as an Anazasi or because you like squash blossom jewelry, it doesn’t matter what that is. So all of you, follow your instinct and then let it go, because the truth is only blossoming in the moment it’s supposed to blossom. You are supposed to go to Taos and it will be much more miraculous than you can get your head around.

TOBIAS: Indeed, and this is an area of magical energies. There are magical energies everywhere. This is also an area you have felt drawn to because it is going to be the center for our Quantum Leap celebration, and there are magical things that are happening there in advance of our celebration as a way of pulling the energies in. But indeed, as you stated, you have an affinity with the Anazasi, but you also know that the Anazasi energy is backing away and it’s time for each human to become the New Energy movers on Earth. Thank you.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 13 (a woman at the microphone): Well, it’s certainly a pleasure to be here with both of you. What a gift, wow!

TOBIAS: A gift for us as well with both of you! (Tobias chuckling)

SHAUMBRA 13: Or however many! I have two questions, since there are two of you. (Linda gestures “one question”) Only one? I can only one?

TOBIAS: That’s okay.

WHITE EAGLE: We’ll each take a half!

SHAUMBRA 13: Alright, there you go. They’re trying to really disconnect it from each other. The first is I really, really connect – I love Mother Earth – and I’m concerned about the bees. I’m hearing that there’s a lot of times, or there’s a lot of places where the bees are not. Now it’s interesting, I went out into my yard the other day and although it was early for the bees and it was snowy, I had bees around my little pond. I was so thankful for that, but could you explain what’s happening?

TOBIAS: Is your next question going to be about birds? (laughter)

SHAUMBRA 13: No, no! You guessed wrong! (lots of laughter)

TOBIAS: I have to say the bees are very energetically sensitive creatures, much more so than many of the other animals and insects on Earth. They are very susceptible to electromagnetic patterns, and the bees are shifting their orientation. They’re not leaving Earth, they’re just shifting where they play right now.

SHAUMBRA 13: Okay, good. Do you have anything to add to that White Eagle?

WHITE EAGLE: No, it is good enough. Not to worry about them, but to just love them and appreciate when you see them.

SHAUMBRA 13: Ah, good. The second question is my husband has developed sleep apnea, and we’ve looked for the origination of that, we’ve worked on energy work with that. We don’t seem to be able to get the handle on how we can resolve that. Could you help us with that? White Eagle.

WHITE EAGLE: There is something ... as we’re looking into his head, there is ... hmmm ... there was perhaps a slight mini-stroke, whatever the word was for that, that caused no other changes but a change in his patterns. And again, for anything that happens in sleep, particularly look at gingerly feeling appreciative of yourself and going to sleep without fear. When there’s breathing problems, it usually is a deep-seated fear that he’s just touching into.

TOBIAS: And I'll add one word to that. Absolutely, what White Eagle said, there is a fear. There’s a natural pattern that occurs during the sleep process that is so important to the connection between the human self and the other levels of self. There is a blockage that is occurring when he travels off in the dream state and he’s not allowing the full expansion of his energy in the night. And as White Eagle said, it’s absolutely caused by a fear that is taking place. This is causing a disruption in normal sleep patterns, and we’re going to recommend something rather strange and it is in this case only. This is not for all sleep apnea and is not a cure, but there is a, let us say, an energetic and type of aromatic trigger here. We’re going to suggest that he uses cinnamon, at least every day, approximately the size of half of a teaspoon full put into food or whatever. This should continue for at least 21 days. The cinnamon is not the cure, the cinnamon is a trigger.

SHAUMBRA 13: Okay. Thank you, thank you.

TOBIAS: Thank you.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 14 (a woman at the microphone): Hi Tobias and White Eagle. I work with a scientific group and I was encouraged by your statement that these energies and technologies would come out regardless of government, but my question has to do with two perspectives in the group. Some seem to feel that there’s a necessity for discernment because of the violence and oppression toward inventors in our history. And then another part of the group seems to feel, you know, don’t worry because we create our reality and, you know, if we visualize the right thing, we won’t set up an opposition dynamic and the right things will happen. And I guess I’m wondering is one perspective or the other valid or are both valid? And these are people who pray and visualize and see the value of intuition and these kinds of things.

TOBIAS: White Eagle, first?

WHITE EAGLE: We’ll just say one thing. It depends ... discernment is not a bad thing, is the discernment coming from intuition or is the discernment coming from fear? Discernment is the way you organize what you do and so it is a very effective expression of one’s intuition. But if the discernment is coming from the solar plexus, is coming from fear, then it closes down that intuition. So the answer is be discerning and keep creating the future.

TOBIAS: And indeed, also understand that the energy of Earth, the consciousness, is so different than it was a few years ago, definitely much different than it was 50 years ago when there was an outpouring or an openness in inventions and many inventors were ridiculed. But the energy is different now. You’ve created a consciousness on Earth where things can happen instantly, where humans actually now are desiring to go beyond, where the need for new technology is very, very high right now – the desire for it and the openness to it – and where it is very difficult right now for any organization, group or government to try to hide anything.

We know there are still those who live in fear, who worry about things they don’t truly need to worry about, who worry about these secret governments and organizations. But do you realize that you can invent something that would change the potential of the world and literally in 30 seconds share it across the world? It cannot be held down anymore. Consciousness won’t allow it.

WHITE EAGLE: Beautiful.

QUESTION FROM SHAUMBRA 14 (a woman at the microphone): I’m working in a healing modality call SR, and it’s basically energetic adjustments to the body, and I feel very sure about what I’m doing most of the time and have great successes with quite a few people. But recently I’ve been experiencing some problems where people feel as if they’re getting relief from their back pains and TMJ and carpal tunnel and that type of thing, but then after a couple of days they call and they say “This isn’t working.” And I’m wondering is that uncertainty within me or within the clients that I’m working on or both?

TOBIAS: I’d love to start with this one! Because they truly don’t want to heal, because they are looking for a technique or a modality or a pill or the latest greatest fad. But ask them a simple question. Every one of you healers out there, before you begin your work, ask your client, your patient, “Do you want to heal?” It seems obvious and it seems simple, and if they answer you right away, ask them again, “Do you truly want to heal?” When they answer again, ask them for the third time, and watch how the answers change. “Do you truly want to heal?” When they say “Yes, but...” they’re not going to heal. “Yes, but...” means that it’s conditional. So, no matter what technique, modality or anything else you work with, it is about their desire to truly heal and their beliefs. White Eagle?

WHITE EAGLE: We would just add, once they leave your space, they are responsible for their body and you are over it. (laughter and audience applause)

LINDA: Geoff is telling me he’s done.

TOBIAS: He is done! (Tobias chuckling)

WHITE EAGLE: We’re done too then!

TOBIAS: It has been a long and wonderful day with all of Shaumbra here. We understand it is time to bring this energy to a close. And Shaumbra, again, what we have talked about today is we would consider an essential for expansion into the New Energy. It’s going to have it’s ... you'll have fun with it, perhaps some challenges with it, but more than anything else we know it’s going to provide some incredible insights and some surprising freedoms for you.

So go beyond. Go Sans Definition.

And so it could be. (laughter)